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[Ccsf-campus-staff] Meetup to discuss Website and curriculum

Shauna Gordon-McKeon shaunagm at gmail.com
Tue Aug 26 19:33:38 UTC 2014 

Catching up on emails, as I've been on vacation.  Sorry for being late to
the discussion, and let me know if you have specific questions!

Also, briefly:


>>    -
>>
>>    Mentor & Project introductions
>>    -
>>
>>       Mozilla
>>       -
>>
>>       ???
>>
>>
OpenHatch itself can be a project at the event.  I'll be available
remotely, and Asheesh as well as perhaps other OH contributors will be
there in person.



>
>>
>>
>
>    1. on "Github" under "Beginners" - How in depth (if at all) do we want
>    to go with Git? GitHub is mentioned in the "What is Version Control" lesson
>    above - so the *idea* is covered. For fledgling programmers, it will
>    explode their brain to actually use command line git.
>
> We've taught command line git -- usually in the form of a hands on
activity
<https://openhatch.org/wiki/Open_Source_Comes_to_Campus/Practicing_Git> -
at over a dozen Open Source Comes to Campus events now.  I've used the same
activity to introduce git at several different conferences.  No exploded
brains so far!  :)




>
>    1. On "contributions" - Do we really want beginners to try and
>    contribute code by the end of the day? I dont think we even prepare them
>    fully as we dont cover version control systems in depth enough for them to
>    know how to fork or do a pull request. Other "contribution" projects are
>    more approachable, like writing documentation, however I dont think
>    beginner students will have a good enough framework to even know what they
>    should write about. Instead, I think the goal for a "beginner" programmer
>    should be to complete each lesson. I think we could expand the lessons to
>    be lectures with hands on projects - like using IRC.
>
>
If you use the traditional OSCTC curriculum, including the git activity,
students will have been introduced to forking, pull requests, etc.
 Certainly they won't be experts, but with the help of their mentors they
should be able to send pull requests if they have pull requests to send.
 :)

It's been our experience that students really vary in how far they can get
during a day.  The key is to give students the opportunity to contribute
while not making them feel bad if they don't get to that point during the
workshop.

best
Shauna




> On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Veronica Ray <veronica.l.ray at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I was on vacation/off email since last Thursday, otherwise would have
>> joined.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 6:38 PM, Katherine Moloney <kmoloney at mail.ccsf.edu
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Tyler,
>>>
>>> Can you connect me to the Hangout via my kmgoogp at gmail.com account?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Katherine
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Katherine Moloney <
>>> kmoloney at mail.ccsf.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Let's do 6:30pm.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Tyler B <tylerbrothers1 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ha! he has missed quite a bit then.
>>>>>
>>>>> Im ok with 6 or 6:30 pm even, the earlier the better.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>
>>>>> Tyler Brothers
>>>>>
>>>>> Phone: 925-998-9956
>>>>>
>>>>>    - www.linkedin.com/in/tylerbrothers/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 1:36 AM, Katherine Moloney <
>>>>> kmoloney at mail.ccsf.edu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Can we talk a little earlier, like 7pm or 6:30pm?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And I was wrong earlier -- Kevin's email is not getting the
>>>>>> ccsf-campus-staff emails, there's bouncing back from his address for some
>>>>>> reason.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 7:43 PM, Tyler B <tylerbrothers1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Saturday at 8pm?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I really like the level's idea as it allows people to meet people
>>>>>>> (smaller groups), learn together, and get better advice from mentors. I do
>>>>>>> want to be cautious about making sure no one feels "dumb" for being in the
>>>>>>> newbie group though, so thats something to keep in mind.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Install fest and instructions online for those who cant attend the
>>>>>>> meeting is a must. As we iron out exactly what we want to teach, we can
>>>>>>> setup instructions online on how to get setup. Maybe we can coordinate with
>>>>>>> mentors on this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In addition to having the groups being based on familiarity with
>>>>>>> tools, I would like to see an opening presentation that touches on what
>>>>>>> open source is about and why it matters. The presentation could touch on
>>>>>>> different faucets of open source as well - legal aspects, open source vs.
>>>>>>> closed source, social impact, history of open source and why the tools are
>>>>>>> important to making open source contribution easy. The presentation would
>>>>>>> give something to everyone and serve as a nice framework for newbies, so
>>>>>>> they dont feel so lost and "why?".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did our previous schedule have any hiccups? (pasted here for
>>>>>>> convenience - from http://ccsf.openhatch.org/)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 9:00am-9:30am:Coffee, juice, pastries, and getting to know each other
>>>>>>>> 9:30am-10:00am:irc session
>>>>>>>> 10:00am-11:00am:Communication Tools session
>>>>>>>> 11:00am-12:00pm:Career panel
>>>>>>>> 12:00pm-1:00pm:Lunch
>>>>>>>> 1:00pm-2:00pm:git/GitHub session
>>>>>>>> 2:00pm-6:00pm:Contributions demo/workshop
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know it had a totally different structure then what were talking
>>>>>>> about here, but were there any obvious issues with the how long speeches
>>>>>>> were or anything?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tyler Brothers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Phone: 925-998-9956
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    - www.linkedin.com/in/tylerbrothers/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Katherine Moloney <
>>>>>>> kmoloney at mail.ccsf.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Minus private details (phone numbers, etc) let's communicate using
>>>>>>>> ccsf-campus-staff at lists.openhatch.org as we're all on it & to keep
>>>>>>>> a record for CCSF students running this event in the future.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Definitely need to finalize the curriculum/content/schedule.  Let's
>>>>>>>> pick a time on Saturday afternoon maybe or later tonight (Fri) like 9pm,
>>>>>>>> and do another Google Hangout.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As for changing the theme/layout of the website, that's something
>>>>>>>> to raise with Shauna & OpenHatch.   You can see that this is a standard
>>>>>>>> template:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     http://uiuc.openhatch.org/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...personally, I think our time is better spent innovating
>>>>>>>> curriculum structure.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For example, what about the idea of having the curriculum be a
>>>>>>>> series of self paced exercises instead of presenter-led lectures?  In this
>>>>>>>> case, students could just indicate when they need help or more information.
>>>>>>>>  Then mentors could be divided up within the room, and help just go to the
>>>>>>>> students when they indicate that they need help.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We could have students self-select their experience level, with
>>>>>>>> something similar to this:
>>>>>>>> http://www.bridgetroll.org/events/108/levels
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     + total new to open source, irc, version control
>>>>>>>>     + some experience with version control
>>>>>>>>     + some experience with version control & irc
>>>>>>>>     + comfortable installing/using open source, setting up my own
>>>>>>>> development environment
>>>>>>>>     + have contributed to open source projects before
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...in this case, we might have people sit in clusters around the
>>>>>>>> room based on their experience levels, that way when the mentors explain
>>>>>>>> something, they can be explaining to a cluster of students who might all
>>>>>>>> need the same question answered.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Additionally, students could work the introductory curriculum even
>>>>>>>> before they show up to the workshop.  The last club meeting could be an
>>>>>>>> installfest (git, establish a GitHub account, practice with irc, etc) and a
>>>>>>>> work-through-the-basic-curriculum opportunity, so more students could dive
>>>>>>>> right into grokking the project they're interested in.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *** If there is any way that students can pick out projects ahead
>>>>>>>> of time & try to do the development environment setup ahead of time, that
>>>>>>>> would make a *big* difference, since we'll be all in the same room, taxing
>>>>>>>> the same wi-fi ***
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So anyone available to do a Google Hangout tonight around 9pm?  Or
>>>>>>>> tomorrow afternoon?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Katherine
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Tyler B <tylerbrothers1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hey everyone,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have free time all day today and saturday to get some work
>>>>>>>>> organizing this. If everyone was available, I thought we could meetup to
>>>>>>>>> discuss how we are planning on tackling some questions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Specifically: Specifics on the website, specifics on any
>>>>>>>>> curriculum changes and what we can do for advanced and novice students
>>>>>>>>> alike and a shared calendar to organize the moving part.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For the website - I would not mind tackling this. I saw how we did
>>>>>>>>> it last year and loved the content and ease of use. Im thinking of looking
>>>>>>>>> into if we can install Wordpress and then just use a simple one page theme
>>>>>>>>> to add some extra niceness.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tyler Brothers
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    -
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Veronica Ray
>> Software Engineer at Bizo
>> Duke University '13
>> (210) 416-9693
>>
>>
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