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[Campus-hartnell-staff] planning another Open Source Comes to Campus event for the fall

Shauna Gordon-McKeon shaunagm at gmail.com
Tue Oct 21 02:20:19 UTC 2014 

On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 8:24 PM, Katie Cunningham <kcunningham at csumb.edu>
wrote:

> Hi Shauna,
>
> No problem :) I enjoyed your talk! A very smooth introduction.
>
> I think the biggest thing I'd like to change is a better understanding of
> the foundational concepts. I think last time students were learning about
> patching but didn't have a concrete idea of why there were patching. Later
> on, during our follow-up event, the students didn't have a solid idea about
> the steps to go through to replicate a bug, and then the steps to
> fork-clone-add-commit-push-pull request (after typing that it's clear why
> it's tricky :). Also, I'd like to explore ways of keeping students in the
> loop and engaged after the event. I know there has been some discussion of
> this on one of the mailing lists, so perhaps I can go back there and get
> inspired.
>
>
One thing to think about it is how to construct the event so people can
learn what they want at their own pace.  That's always one of the big
hurdles when we come up with a curriculum - different people learn
differently, and it's hard to accommodate them all at once.

One option might be to create groups centered around people's interests.
So for git, folks who are interested in learning about the concepts of
diffing and patching, and understanding more conceptually how git works,
could go in one group.  (Asheesh, I think, would love to lead this group.)
 Another group that wanted hands on experience making a change could go
with our traditional git activity, led by you or others who feel
comfortable.

I've been a big advocate of breaking into task or interest focused group
during the contributions workshop, although apparently I've been doing a
poor job of advocating for this/explaining my intent because none of the 6
events that have run since I created the activities have actually used
them.  But we *do* have a "how to replicate a bug" activity now!  It may
not be very good, but we have it.

I think key to all of this is identifying our mentors well ahead of time
and making sure they're comfortable with what they're teaching.  A mentor
who is at the event and enthusiastic about teaching people how to replicate
bugs is going to do a much better job of teaching the topic than a mentor
who just gets randomly and unexpectedly asked about it.  Are there local
folks - students, staff, faculty, local professionals/hobbyists - who are
interested in being part of this ongoing outreach/education effort?  If so,
we should pull them into the organizing now.  OpenHatch is going to start
running live trainings for our curriculum via a combination of IRC and
hangouts, and we'd love to include some folks from your area (including
you, if you would like to participate/think you could benefit from it).  In
the end, past experience/expertise matters very little.  What's important
is an enthusiasm for open source and an interest in teaching others -
that's innate to people, we can teach the rest.  :)

Wow, that got long.  I may re-post it to OSCTC-planning.  :)


This time the event will be different in that no one will be required to
> attend. I predict that this will lead more attendees to be interested in
> making a clear open source contribution before leaving the event.
>
> Perhaps an even better answer to your question is the results of this poll
> I just sent out:
> https://docs.google.com/a/csumb.edu/forms/d/1tdkKBuNJ2Imv6PZ6DViYGkjIJFw7TiHrPWDFxAnO_lM/viewanalytics
> This was sent to 28 older students to get a better idea of what they are
> interested in.
>

Just requested access - looking forward to reading it.


>
> As far as logistics, I think the biggest thing is recruiting mentors. Any
> thoughts on what the makeup of mentors will be for this event (more or less
> OpenHatch people)?
>

Asheesh will be coming down.  We will likely get one or two additional
people coming with him, same as last time.  There's a big event planned at
Berkeley the next day so we might get a little bit of mentor split (people
going to Berkeley who would otherwise have gone to Hartnell).  If you can
give me an "ideal; okay; minimum" set of numbers of mentors, I'm happy to
aim for that while recruiting.





>
>
> -Katie
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Shauna Gordon-McKeon <shaunagm at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> It was great to see you at GHC, Katie!  I was sorry to not spend more
>> time with you -- it's so easy to lose track of folks with a crowd of 8,000.
>>
>> We've got a few events coming up this weekend that I've been focusing on
>> but I want to jump into planning this next week. Something for you to
>> consider in the meantime: if there was one area for improvement you'd like
>> to single out after the last event, what would it be?
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Katie Cunningham <kcunningham at csumb.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Shauna,
>>>
>>> The dual-tracked event sounds perfect! Let's go with that.
>>>
>>> Thanks (and maybe see you at your talk at GHC)?
>>> -Katie
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 9:14 PM, Shauna Gordon-McKeon <shaunagm at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> You're welcome - thanks for broaching the idea.  I wish we had the time
>>>> to invest in it!
>>>>
>>>> We definitely still have time to prepare for a Nov event.  We like to
>>>> confirm events with 4 weeks of lead time, and we clear that easily.  :)
>>>>
>>>> CCSF did a dual-tracked event which was accommodating for both
>>>> beginning and returning students.  We can talk about how to do that for
>>>> Hartnell as well.  Teaching others is a great way to reinforce what you've
>>>> learned, so it would be great to get some of the returning students to help
>>>> teach in informal ways.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Katie Cunningham <kcunningham at csumb.edu
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Shauna,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks so much for engaging with Sathya about the one credit course
>>>>> idea. I completely understand the trepidation about the level of commitment
>>>>> :)
>>>>>
>>>>> I would love to do an OSCTC event in November, if you are still
>>>>> interested. If it's too late I completely understand. If you think there is
>>>>> still time, I am more than happy to make it work.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are no longer requiring students in our cohort programs to attend
>>>>> any Saturday workshops, but I believe many students will be very
>>>>> enthusiastic about this event. I think the only question before jumping
>>>>> into planning is whether this should be a "standard" OSCTC event, or
>>>>> whether it should be more focused on beginners. While I was originally
>>>>> thinking of having this event more geared towards beginning students, I
>>>>> don't strongly feel that way anymore. I think that both interested first
>>>>> and second year students can do well with the standard OSCTC curriculum.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Katie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Shauna Gordon-McKeon <
>>>>> shaunagm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Katie,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As you may have seen in my previous email, the one credit course is
>>>>>> just too much of a commitment for us to make right now. I love the idea in
>>>>>> theory, but in practice, I don't think we'll be able to give it the care
>>>>>> and resources it deserves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you still up for running an OSCTC event in November?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> best
>>>>>> Shauna
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Katie Cunningham <
>>>>>> kcunningham at csumb.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Shauna,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OSCTC has been a topic of significant discussion recently.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The major idea that has been discussed and which I want to present
>>>>>>> to you is the incorporation of OSCTC into a one credit course taught at
>>>>>>> CSUMB. A series of one credit courses involving hands-on technical topics
>>>>>>> is a new initiative by Dr. Sathya Narayanan (CSUMB faculty). The idea is
>>>>>>> that students meet for 2 full Saturdays (16 hours total) for face time with
>>>>>>> the instructor and do homework or pre-class work of 25-30 hours outside of
>>>>>>> class. The course instructor is paid a stipend. If this is something
>>>>>>> OpenHatch is interested in, the spring semester could be a potential target
>>>>>>> date.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The advantages of this idea are that students are interacting with
>>>>>>> open source in a more ongoing fashion, with results tied to an immediate
>>>>>>> result (a grade). Of course, it may take more planning than a typical OSCTC
>>>>>>> session. The first one of these courses is a one credit course about
>>>>>>> Salesforce happening this semester. About 40 students are signed up,
>>>>>>> including ~23 CSIT-In-3 students.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let me know if this is something Openhatch is worth pursuing. Also
>>>>>>> let me know if you have any questions or clarifications. I imagine that if
>>>>>>> Openhatch is interested in the spring course, it probably makes sense to
>>>>>>> scratch the fall OSCTC event to decrease workload.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>> Katie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Shauna Gordon-McKeon <
>>>>>>> shaunagm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just bumping this up - no rush, as we're still 2+ months out.  Did
>>>>>>>> you meet with Prof Welch and, if so, any thoughts about how to proceed?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Katie Cunningham <
>>>>>>>> kcunningham at csumb.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Great :) Prof. Joe Welch wants to discuss OSCTC next week, so
>>>>>>>>> after that I'll have a better idea about the approach.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>> Katie
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Shauna Gordon-McKeon <
>>>>>>>>> shaunagm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That sounds great.  I'll put you down for the Saturday in
>>>>>>>>>> November.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There's plenty of time to plan since you've picked the November
>>>>>>>>>> date, so please don't feel rushed to respond.  Reply at your convenience.
>>>>>>>>>>  :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Katie Cunningham <
>>>>>>>>>> kcunningham at csumb.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for moving the thread over Shauna :)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I forgot to mention in the earlier email that the November
>>>>>>>>>>> weekend would work best for us, since it gives our freshmen more time to be
>>>>>>>>>>> exposed to CS. Several students go to church on Sunday (a student just
>>>>>>>>>>> talked to me about making an attendance app for Sunday School :), so
>>>>>>>>>>> Saturday is preferred.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> More on the rest in a bit...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -Katie
>>>>>>>>>>>
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