[Campus-hartnell-staff] planning another Open Source Comes to Campus event for the fall

Tue Oct 21 00:24:51 UTC 2014

Hi Shauna,

No problem :) I enjoyed your talk! A very smooth introduction.

I think the biggest thing I'd like to change is a better understanding of
the foundational concepts. I think last time students were learning about
patching but didn't have a concrete idea of why there were patching. Later
on, during our follow-up event, the students didn't have a solid idea about
the steps to go through to replicate a bug, and then the steps to
fork-clone-add-commit-push-pull request (after typing that it's clear why
it's tricky :). Also, I'd like to explore ways of keeping students in the
loop and engaged after the event. I know there has been some discussion of
this on one of the mailing lists, so perhaps I can go back there and get
inspired.

This time the event will be different in that no one will be required to
attend. I predict that this will lead more attendees to be interested in
making a clear open source contribution before leaving the event.

Perhaps an even better answer to your question is the results of this poll
I just sent out:
https://docs.google.com/a/csumb.edu/forms/d/1tdkKBuNJ2Imv6PZ6DViYGkjIJFw7TiHrPWDFxAnO_lM/viewanalytics
This was sent to 28 older students to get a better idea of what they are
interested in.

As far as logistics, I think the biggest thing is recruiting mentors. Any
thoughts on what the makeup of mentors will be for this event (more or less
OpenHatch people)?

-Katie

On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Shauna Gordon-McKeon <shaunagm at gmail.com>
wrote:

> It was great to see you at GHC, Katie!  I was sorry to not spend more time
> with you -- it's so easy to lose track of folks with a crowd of 8,000.
>
> We've got a few events coming up this weekend that I've been focusing on
> but I want to jump into planning this next week. Something for you to
> consider in the meantime: if there was one area for improvement you'd like
> to single out after the last event, what would it be?
>
> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Katie Cunningham <kcunningham at csumb.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Shauna,
>>
>> The dual-tracked event sounds perfect! Let's go with that.
>>
>> Thanks (and maybe see you at your talk at GHC)?
>> -Katie
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 9:14 PM, Shauna Gordon-McKeon <shaunagm at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You're welcome - thanks for broaching the idea.  I wish we had the time
>>> to invest in it!
>>>
>>> We definitely still have time to prepare for a Nov event.  We like to
>>> confirm events with 4 weeks of lead time, and we clear that easily.  :)
>>>
>>> CCSF did a dual-tracked event which was accommodating for both beginning
>>> and returning students.  We can talk about how to do that for Hartnell as
>>> well.  Teaching others is a great way to reinforce what you've learned, so
>>> it would be great to get some of the returning students to help teach in
>>> informal ways.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Katie Cunningham <kcunningham at csumb.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Shauna,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks so much for engaging with Sathya about the one credit course
>>>> idea. I completely understand the trepidation about the level of commitment
>>>> :)
>>>>
>>>> I would love to do an OSCTC event in November, if you are still
>>>> interested. If it's too late I completely understand. If you think there is
>>>> still time, I am more than happy to make it work.
>>>>
>>>> We are no longer requiring students in our cohort programs to attend
>>>> any Saturday workshops, but I believe many students will be very
>>>> enthusiastic about this event. I think the only question before jumping
>>>> into planning is whether this should be a "standard" OSCTC event, or
>>>> whether it should be more focused on beginners. While I was originally
>>>> thinking of having this event more geared towards beginning students, I
>>>> don't strongly feel that way anymore. I think that both interested first
>>>> and second year students can do well with the standard OSCTC curriculum.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Katie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Shauna Gordon-McKeon <
>>>> shaunagm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Katie,
>>>>>
>>>>> As you may have seen in my previous email, the one credit course is
>>>>> just too much of a commitment for us to make right now. I love the idea in
>>>>> theory, but in practice, I don't think we'll be able to give it the care
>>>>> and resources it deserves.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you still up for running an OSCTC event in November?
>>>>>
>>>>> best
>>>>> Shauna
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Katie Cunningham <
>>>>> kcunningham at csumb.edu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Shauna,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OSCTC has been a topic of significant discussion recently.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The major idea that has been discussed and which I want to present to
>>>>>> you is the incorporation of OSCTC into a one credit course taught at CSUMB.
>>>>>> A series of one credit courses involving hands-on technical topics is a new
>>>>>> initiative by Dr. Sathya Narayanan (CSUMB faculty). The idea is that
>>>>>> students meet for 2 full Saturdays (16 hours total) for face time with the
>>>>>> instructor and do homework or pre-class work of 25-30 hours outside of
>>>>>> class. The course instructor is paid a stipend. If this is something
>>>>>> OpenHatch is interested in, the spring semester could be a potential target
>>>>>> date.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The advantages of this idea are that students are interacting with
>>>>>> open source in a more ongoing fashion, with results tied to an immediate
>>>>>> result (a grade). Of course, it may take more planning than a typical OSCTC
>>>>>> session. The first one of these courses is a one credit course about
>>>>>> Salesforce happening this semester. About 40 students are signed up,
>>>>>> including ~23 CSIT-In-3 students.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me know if this is something Openhatch is worth pursuing. Also
>>>>>> let me know if you have any questions or clarifications. I imagine that if
>>>>>> Openhatch is interested in the spring course, it probably makes sense to
>>>>>> scratch the fall OSCTC event to decrease workload.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Katie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Shauna Gordon-McKeon <
>>>>>> shaunagm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just bumping this up - no rush, as we're still 2+ months out.  Did
>>>>>>> you meet with Prof Welch and, if so, any thoughts about how to proceed?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Katie Cunningham <
>>>>>>> kcunningham at csumb.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Great :) Prof. Joe Welch wants to discuss OSCTC next week, so after
>>>>>>>> that I'll have a better idea about the approach.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>> Katie
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Shauna Gordon-McKeon <
>>>>>>>> shaunagm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That sounds great.  I'll put you down for the Saturday in November.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There's plenty of time to plan since you've picked the November
>>>>>>>>> date, so please don't feel rushed to respond.  Reply at your convenience.
>>>>>>>>>  :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Katie Cunningham <
>>>>>>>>> kcunningham at csumb.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for moving the thread over Shauna :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I forgot to mention in the earlier email that the November
>>>>>>>>>> weekend would work best for us, since it gives our freshmen more time to be
>>>>>>>>>> exposed to CS. Several students go to church on Sunday (a student just
>>>>>>>>>> talked to me about making an attendance app for Sunday School :), so
>>>>>>>>>> Saturday is preferred.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> More on the rest in a bit...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -Katie
>>>>>>>>>>
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