[WFS-India] Suggestion for re-modelling of the mailing list rules

Fri Jun 21 17:39:35 UTC 2013

Mani,

I wonder what you are smoking! That is some damn potent shit there! I want some!

Because, if you are not hallucinating, I would have to say that your
hilarious logic clearly demonstrates a case of pathologically
opportunistic prevaricator aka liar :-)

You my friend is in clear need of help before it is too late!

cheers
-idg

On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 10:59 PM, A. Mani <a.mani.cms at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 10:09 PM, Kaustav Das Modak
> <kaustav at codebinders.com> wrote:
>> At present, it reads:
>>
>> <quote>
>>
>> WFS-india is a voluntary organization of some enthusiastic people wanting to
>> see some gender parity in FOSS world. If you are enthusiastic about FOSS and
>> sometimes/always wondering why there are so few women in India
>> contributing/working in FOSS, please do join. People would love to hear your
>> ideas and suggestions to include more women in FOSS.
>>
>> If you are a woman and think that women in software should come together to
>> address the common issues faced by them, please do join.
>>
>> </unquote>
>>
>
>
>
>> The agenda of the first meeting at #wfs-india as described on the
>> TechChicBlog page reads:
>>
>> <quote>
>>
>>
>>    - why and if at all do we need a group to promote FOSS among women in
>> India,
>>
>>    - how we can improve networking among women in software in India,
>>
>>    - how we can unite to address common issues faced by women in technology
>> in India,
>>
>>    - how we can help each other to build skills, expertise and grow
>> professionally and personally
>>
>>    - if we can organize an event (something on the line of adacamp – (I
>> really love the idea)) in India.
>>
>>    - anything that you wish to bring up to help the cause.
>>
>>
>> </unquote>
>>
>>
>> Though these write-ups constitute the initial ideas behind this group, they
>> are not complete and do not in any way represent the mission and goals of
>> this group in totality. I believe so because they have not been vouched for
>> or have been voted upon, and have not been formed into a MoU or
>> Constitution. So using them to justify your views on behalf of the whole
>> group does not make any sense to me at least; excuse me for being blunt
>> here.
>>
>
> Well, you are saying the FOSS world should operate differently and
> that you write things that you may not be believing in.
> Did anybody object to that write-up?
>
>>
>> Your experience in FOSS groups and other form of activisms is surely way
>> more than mine, however, I fail to see to why you are been putting up your
>> views with a timeout in every case. If no one responds within a stipulated
>> time frame that you set, you take that as unanimous decision. Most members
>> of this group are either full time professionals or students and they may
>> usually take time to respond to certain views and concerns raised by you.
>> Please wait for everyone's response, or at least a majority response before
>> flagging your view as the choice of others.
>>
>
> OK, waiting .... forever.
>
>
>
>> Also, I fail to see how your experience and your radical views are doing
>> anything progressive in terms of encouraging new members, or even to
>> organize a public outreach that takes the word of FOSS out to uninitiated. I
>> haven't, for example, seen any feedback from the Git workshop participants
>> on the list, though at least 3 or 4 of them had joined the list after the
>> workshop. Maybe they are finding this atmosphere too toxic to even put in a
>> "Hello World!"?
>
> People take time to assimilate ideas.
> Be patient.
>
>>
>> I would agree with them. I am going to resume my post as the maintainer of
>> the website, maybe for another six months. I'm afraid my skills will be of
>> no more use in a radical atmosphere which constantly urges people to stick
>> to feudal style stringent rules and regulations. Maybe I am not cut out for
>> this.
>
> I have relatively 'radical' views?
> Some others have backward views is a better formulation.
>
> wfs-india appears to be a somewhat human group. At least that is what
> our website suggests.
> Our mailing lists involve debates.
> Often, I admit others are not able to reason about the points I raise.
> We need more qualified feminists in our group.
>
> Some like IDG are dogmatic about how things should happen and are
> quite intemperate.
>
> 'Radical views' do not hinder newbie interaction, but intemperate behavior can.
>
> Where is this "feudal style stringent rules " coming from? ... I never
> imposed any.
> The original mailing list rules is pretty standard.
> We have improved it for our purposes.
>
> Be happy.
>
>
>>
>> Maybe, I'm wrong and others here might be nodding in assent to your views
>> and concerns. Maybe the silence is really an acknowledgement of your
>> commitment. In that case, I really do stress that our views differ.
>>
>
> For all the concerns that you have raised, the solution is simple.
> We proceed in a modular way with few committed people handling the
> respective module.
> How many words did I offer for the Git workshop?
>
>
>
>
> Best
>
> A. Mani
>
>
> --
> A. Mani
> CU, ASL, AMS, CLC, CMS
> http://www.logicamani.in
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