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[Campus-hartnell-staff] planning another Open Source Comes to Campus event for the fall

Sathya Narayanan snarayanan at csumb.edu
Fri Sep 12 18:13:19 UTC 2014 

Please see my responses inline:

On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Shauna Gordon-McKeon <shaunagm at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>
> - What are the time constraints in terms of when during the course of the
> year these classes can be done?  Should the dates fall within the confines
> of the academic semesters and if so, which ones?  (This will be much more
> doable if we can time things not to conflict with our other ongoing events.)
>
It is better if we can keep these classes within semester boundaries. We
are thinking Spring 2015 right now - which would be from late January 2015
to early May 2015. Managing the logistics of the course would be easier to
do within the semester - university infrastructure operates relatively well
within that.

- What is the stipend amount?
>
I think, the stipend amount would be between $1200 and $1700 depending on
the education and teaching experience of the instructor. I don't make the
final decision, but I am reasonably sure of this range.


> - When do we need to make a decision by?
>
By end of October will give us enough time to plan.

Thanks so much for taking the time to answer all of my questions.  Asheesh
> and I should be able to talk about this next week and come to a decision
> soon after.
>
You are very welcome. Let me know if you have any other questions. Look
forward to hearing your decision.

Best,
Sathya


> ~ Shauna
>
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Sathya Narayanan <snarayanan at csumb.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> There are no restrictions. Motivation to space them out is to allow time
>> for students to do more work before exploring advanced topics in the second
>> session. It is also possible to arrange for two people to co-teach the
>> course - with one person covering session 1 (introductory session) and
>> another person covering session 2 (advanced).
>>
>> Having said that, if having the sessions together will help with offering
>> the course, I think we can make it work, as long as we feel the learning
>> objectives can be met.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Best,
>> Sathya
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Shauna Gordon-McKeon <shaunagm at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Are there any restrictions on when the two full Saturdays can be?
>>>  Should they be at the beginning and end of the course, for instance?  This
>>> affects whether I personally could teach it - I live on the other side of
>>> the country and could probably not make two separate trips out.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Sathya Narayanan <snarayanan at csumb.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Katie!
>>>>
>>>> Hi Shauna,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for considering our request. Katie explained the motivation
>>>> for the 1-unit course pretty well - to add my 2 cents, we think the
>>>> content, ideas and skills communicated at the OpenHatch workshop is very
>>>> valuable. We hope that adding the structure of a course to it will
>>>> encourage/require more of our students to actively engage in the topic. If
>>>> we do this well, it will be easy to offer it in future years with
>>>> institutional support and at that point it will easier to duplicate it in
>>>> other institutions.
>>>>
>>>> Now to your question: we totally understand the workload challenges and
>>>> will work with you to accommodate your situation. I would think the
>>>> following actions will be needed to offer such a course (we will be happy
>>>> to help you in all of these steps).
>>>>
>>>>    1. Create a syllabus (sample syllabus here
>>>>    <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1loeavQABcBTUwkvxlq7k4DFYRkcU5vwqs7f-oBnn9eQ/edit?usp=sharing>)
>>>>    and associated schedule (here
>>>>    <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16YxypqN6FLVkgPRi1W3BmXOa-9YLsMCx_9E0W29e6uw/edit#gid=0>
>>>>    )
>>>>    2. Prep for the in class presentations/activities
>>>>    3. Create assignments/projects - number of assignments/project is
>>>>    up to you within the constraints of student learning and time commitment
>>>>    (up to 24 hours of work outside the class for the students)
>>>>    4. Teach/coach first session
>>>>    5. Maintain some office hours (~2hrs/week) online (GHO or Skype) to
>>>>    be able to answer questions - we will have a TA available locally to take
>>>>    care quick/easier questions
>>>>    6. Respond to email questions from students
>>>>    7. Grade assignments if any - depending on the learning objectives,
>>>>    type of assignments - this effort could vary - we can get TA support for
>>>>    this. Or, it is also possible to setup the course as Pass/Fail rather than
>>>>    letter grades - to reduce the granularity of grading
>>>>    8. Teach/coach second session
>>>>    9. More office hours to support project work
>>>>    10. Final grading
>>>>    11. Enter grades
>>>>
>>>> I apologize for the long email - wanted to provide a comprehensive
>>>> picture. There is reasonable amount of flexibility in how the course is
>>>> structured. I am leaving out a bit of a paperwork to apply and get hired as
>>>> a lecturer at CSUMB :)
>>>>
>>>> We are very motivated about this and believe that this will be very
>>>> useful for our students. We realize that we are asking for a bigger
>>>> commitment and effort from you, but it is a one time investment to develop
>>>> the components - usually can be duplicated multiple times with small
>>>> tweaks, reaching a large group of students, who otherwise may not get such
>>>> deep exposure.
>>>>
>>>> Please let me know if you have any questions. I am happy to talk with
>>>> you if that would work better.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Sathya
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Katie Cunningham <kcunningham at csumb.edu
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Shauna,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm cc'ing Sathya Narayanan, faculty at CSUMB. He will be better able
>>>>> to answer those sorts of questions :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Katie
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Shauna Gordon-McKeon <
>>>>> shaunagm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We're happy to talk about it.  My guess is that it will be too much
>>>>>> work for either Asheesh or myself to take on, but there may be someone else
>>>>>> in the OpenHatch community interested in leading it -- and it is possible
>>>>>> that we'll be able to make time for Asheesh or myself to work on it, too.
>>>>>>  Relevant to that decision is the question: What would be the out of class
>>>>>> responsibilities expected of an instructor?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Katie Cunningham <
>>>>>> kcunningham at csumb.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Shauna,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No problem. The idea is that someone from OpenHatch leads the class.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for discussing this new and different idea,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Katie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Shauna Gordon-McKeon <
>>>>>>> shaunagm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Katie,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry for the delay in responding - I was away for the weekend.
>>>>>>>>  I'll talk about this more with Asheesh during our weekly meeting tomorrow,
>>>>>>>> but I do have some questions.  Most importantly: are you asking whether
>>>>>>>> someone from OpenHatch is interested in leading the class, or whether we
>>>>>>>> can help you lead such a class?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>>> Shauna
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Katie Cunningham <
>>>>>>>> kcunningham at csumb.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Shauna,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OSCTC has been a topic of significant discussion recently.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The major idea that has been discussed and which I want to present
>>>>>>>>> to you is the incorporation of OSCTC into a one credit course taught at
>>>>>>>>> CSUMB. A series of one credit courses involving hands-on technical topics
>>>>>>>>> is a new initiative by Dr. Sathya Narayanan (CSUMB faculty). The idea is
>>>>>>>>> that students meet for 2 full Saturdays (16 hours total) for face time with
>>>>>>>>> the instructor and do homework or pre-class work of 25-30 hours outside of
>>>>>>>>> class. The course instructor is paid a stipend. If this is something
>>>>>>>>> OpenHatch is interested in, the spring semester could be a potential target
>>>>>>>>> date.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The advantages of this idea are that students are interacting with
>>>>>>>>> open source in a more ongoing fashion, with results tied to an immediate
>>>>>>>>> result (a grade). Of course, it may take more planning than a typical OSCTC
>>>>>>>>> session. The first one of these courses is a one credit course about
>>>>>>>>> Salesforce happening this semester. About 40 students are signed up,
>>>>>>>>> including ~23 CSIT-In-3 students.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Let me know if this is something Openhatch is worth pursuing. Also
>>>>>>>>> let me know if you have any questions or clarifications. I imagine that if
>>>>>>>>> Openhatch is interested in the spring course, it probably makes sense to
>>>>>>>>> scratch the fall OSCTC event to decrease workload.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>> Katie
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Shauna Gordon-McKeon <
>>>>>>>>> shaunagm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just bumping this up - no rush, as we're still 2+ months out.
>>>>>>>>>>  Did you meet with Prof Welch and, if so, any thoughts about how to proceed?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Katie Cunningham <
>>>>>>>>>> kcunningham at csumb.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Great :) Prof. Joe Welch wants to discuss OSCTC next week, so
>>>>>>>>>>> after that I'll have a better idea about the approach.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>> Katie
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Shauna Gordon-McKeon <
>>>>>>>>>>> shaunagm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That sounds great.  I'll put you down for the Saturday in
>>>>>>>>>>>> November.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There's plenty of time to plan since you've picked the November
>>>>>>>>>>>> date, so please don't feel rushed to respond.  Reply at your convenience.
>>>>>>>>>>>>  :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Katie Cunningham <
>>>>>>>>>>>> kcunningham at csumb.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for moving the thread over Shauna :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I forgot to mention in the earlier email that the November
>>>>>>>>>>>>> weekend would work best for us, since it gives our freshmen more time to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> exposed to CS. Several students go to church on Sunday (a student just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> talked to me about making an attendance app for Sunday School :), so
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saturday is preferred.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> More on the rest in a bit...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Katie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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