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[Campus-hartnell-staff] planning another Open Source Comes to Campus event for the fall

Sathya Narayanan snarayanan at csumb.edu
Thu Oct 2 22:03:23 UTC 2014 

Hi Shauna,

Thank you for the response! I understand.

Yes, please try to reach out through your network to find anyone who might
be interested. I would like to develop two 1-unit courses taught by
industry professionals for spring 2015 to let our students explore new
topics of learning - any help you can provide will be greatly appreciated.

Best,
Sathya

On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Shauna Gordon-McKeon <shaunagm at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Sathya,
>
> Sorry for taking so long to get back to you.  I think that right now we
> just can't commit to doing this - I'm the only one who could reasonably
> take it on, and I'm on the wrong coast and pretty busy already.  It's
> possible that we'll make some decisions for 2015 that would facilitate
> this, in terms of staffing and priorities, but we're just starting to have
> those conversations.
>
> If you'd still like to run a course like this, even without us teaching
> it, we can try to reach out through our network of volunteers and
> colleagues to see if anyone could lead it.  And we're definitely up for
> helping anyone who does take this on develop their approach.
>
> Thank you so much for the invitation!  It means a lot to us and we'd love
> to keep brainstorming ways to add open source to the school's community and
> curriculum.
>
> best
> Shauna
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Sathya Narayanan <snarayanan at csumb.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> Please see my responses inline:
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Shauna Gordon-McKeon <
>> shaunagm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> - What are the time constraints in terms of when during the course of
>>> the year these classes can be done?  Should the dates fall within the
>>> confines of the academic semesters and if so, which ones?  (This will be
>>> much more doable if we can time things not to conflict with our other
>>> ongoing events.)
>>>
>> It is better if we can keep these classes within semester boundaries. We
>> are thinking Spring 2015 right now - which would be from late January 2015
>> to early May 2015. Managing the logistics of the course would be easier to
>> do within the semester - university infrastructure operates relatively well
>> within that.
>>
>> - What is the stipend amount?
>>>
>> I think, the stipend amount would be between $1200 and $1700 depending on
>> the education and teaching experience of the instructor. I don't make the
>> final decision, but I am reasonably sure of this range.
>>
>>
>>> - When do we need to make a decision by?
>>>
>> By end of October will give us enough time to plan.
>>
>> Thanks so much for taking the time to answer all of my questions.
>>> Asheesh and I should be able to talk about this next week and come to a
>>> decision soon after.
>>>
>> You are very welcome. Let me know if you have any other questions. Look
>> forward to hearing your decision.
>>
>> Best,
>> Sathya
>>
>>
>>> ~ Shauna
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Sathya Narayanan <snarayanan at csumb.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> There are no restrictions. Motivation to space them out is to allow
>>>> time for students to do more work before exploring advanced topics in the
>>>> second session. It is also possible to arrange for two people to co-teach
>>>> the course - with one person covering session 1 (introductory session) and
>>>> another person covering session 2 (advanced).
>>>>
>>>> Having said that, if having the sessions together will help with
>>>> offering the course, I think we can make it work, as long as we feel the
>>>> learning objectives can be met.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Sathya
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Shauna Gordon-McKeon <
>>>> shaunagm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Are there any restrictions on when the two full Saturdays can be?
>>>>> Should they be at the beginning and end of the course, for instance?  This
>>>>> affects whether I personally could teach it - I live on the other side of
>>>>> the country and could probably not make two separate trips out.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Sathya Narayanan <snarayanan at csumb.edu
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Katie!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Shauna,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for considering our request. Katie explained the motivation
>>>>>> for the 1-unit course pretty well - to add my 2 cents, we think the
>>>>>> content, ideas and skills communicated at the OpenHatch workshop is very
>>>>>> valuable. We hope that adding the structure of a course to it will
>>>>>> encourage/require more of our students to actively engage in the topic. If
>>>>>> we do this well, it will be easy to offer it in future years with
>>>>>> institutional support and at that point it will easier to duplicate it in
>>>>>> other institutions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now to your question: we totally understand the workload challenges
>>>>>> and will work with you to accommodate your situation. I would think the
>>>>>> following actions will be needed to offer such a course (we will be happy
>>>>>> to help you in all of these steps).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    1. Create a syllabus (sample syllabus here
>>>>>>    <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1loeavQABcBTUwkvxlq7k4DFYRkcU5vwqs7f-oBnn9eQ/edit?usp=sharing>)
>>>>>>    and associated schedule (here
>>>>>>    <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16YxypqN6FLVkgPRi1W3BmXOa-9YLsMCx_9E0W29e6uw/edit#gid=0>
>>>>>>    )
>>>>>>    2. Prep for the in class presentations/activities
>>>>>>    3. Create assignments/projects - number of assignments/project is
>>>>>>    up to you within the constraints of student learning and time commitment
>>>>>>    (up to 24 hours of work outside the class for the students)
>>>>>>    4. Teach/coach first session
>>>>>>    5. Maintain some office hours (~2hrs/week) online (GHO or Skype)
>>>>>>    to be able to answer questions - we will have a TA available locally to
>>>>>>    take care quick/easier questions
>>>>>>    6. Respond to email questions from students
>>>>>>    7. Grade assignments if any - depending on the learning
>>>>>>    objectives, type of assignments - this effort could vary - we can get TA
>>>>>>    support for this. Or, it is also possible to setup the course as Pass/Fail
>>>>>>    rather than letter grades - to reduce the granularity of grading
>>>>>>    8. Teach/coach second session
>>>>>>    9. More office hours to support project work
>>>>>>    10. Final grading
>>>>>>    11. Enter grades
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I apologize for the long email - wanted to provide a comprehensive
>>>>>> picture. There is reasonable amount of flexibility in how the course is
>>>>>> structured. I am leaving out a bit of a paperwork to apply and get hired as
>>>>>> a lecturer at CSUMB :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are very motivated about this and believe that this will be very
>>>>>> useful for our students. We realize that we are asking for a bigger
>>>>>> commitment and effort from you, but it is a one time investment to develop
>>>>>> the components - usually can be duplicated multiple times with small
>>>>>> tweaks, reaching a large group of students, who otherwise may not get such
>>>>>> deep exposure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please let me know if you have any questions. I am happy to talk with
>>>>>> you if that would work better.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Sathya
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Katie Cunningham <
>>>>>> kcunningham at csumb.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Shauna,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm cc'ing Sathya Narayanan, faculty at CSUMB. He will be better
>>>>>>> able to answer those sorts of questions :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>> Katie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Shauna Gordon-McKeon <
>>>>>>> shaunagm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We're happy to talk about it.  My guess is that it will be too much
>>>>>>>> work for either Asheesh or myself to take on, but there may be someone else
>>>>>>>> in the OpenHatch community interested in leading it -- and it is possible
>>>>>>>> that we'll be able to make time for Asheesh or myself to work on it, too.
>>>>>>>> Relevant to that decision is the question: What would be the out of class
>>>>>>>> responsibilities expected of an instructor?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Katie Cunningham <
>>>>>>>> kcunningham at csumb.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Shauna,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No problem. The idea is that someone from OpenHatch leads the
>>>>>>>>> class.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for discussing this new and different idea,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Katie
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Shauna Gordon-McKeon <
>>>>>>>>> shaunagm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Katie,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry for the delay in responding - I was away for the weekend.
>>>>>>>>>> I'll talk about this more with Asheesh during our weekly meeting tomorrow,
>>>>>>>>>> but I do have some questions.  Most importantly: are you asking whether
>>>>>>>>>> someone from OpenHatch is interested in leading the class, or whether we
>>>>>>>>>> can help you lead such a class?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>>>>> Shauna
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Katie Cunningham <
>>>>>>>>>> kcunningham at csumb.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Shauna,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> OSCTC has been a topic of significant discussion recently.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The major idea that has been discussed and which I want to
>>>>>>>>>>> present to you is the incorporation of OSCTC into a one credit course
>>>>>>>>>>> taught at CSUMB. A series of one credit courses involving hands-on
>>>>>>>>>>> technical topics is a new initiative by Dr. Sathya Narayanan (CSUMB
>>>>>>>>>>> faculty). The idea is that students meet for 2 full Saturdays (16 hours
>>>>>>>>>>> total) for face time with the instructor and do homework or pre-class work
>>>>>>>>>>> of 25-30 hours outside of class. The course instructor is paid a stipend.
>>>>>>>>>>> If this is something OpenHatch is interested in, the spring semester could
>>>>>>>>>>> be a potential target date.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The advantages of this idea are that students are interacting
>>>>>>>>>>> with open source in a more ongoing fashion, with results tied to an
>>>>>>>>>>> immediate result (a grade). Of course, it may take more planning than a
>>>>>>>>>>> typical OSCTC session. The first one of these courses is a one credit
>>>>>>>>>>> course about Salesforce happening this semester. About 40 students are
>>>>>>>>>>> signed up, including ~23 CSIT-In-3 students.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Let me know if this is something Openhatch is worth pursuing.
>>>>>>>>>>> Also let me know if you have any questions or clarifications. I imagine
>>>>>>>>>>> that if Openhatch is interested in the spring course, it probably makes
>>>>>>>>>>> sense to scratch the fall OSCTC event to decrease workload.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>> Katie
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Shauna Gordon-McKeon <
>>>>>>>>>>> shaunagm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just bumping this up - no rush, as we're still 2+ months out.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Did you meet with Prof Welch and, if so, any thoughts about how to proceed?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Katie Cunningham <
>>>>>>>>>>>> kcunningham at csumb.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great :) Prof. Joe Welch wants to discuss OSCTC next week, so
>>>>>>>>>>>>> after that I'll have a better idea about the approach.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Katie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Shauna Gordon-McKeon <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> shaunagm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That sounds great.  I'll put you down for the Saturday in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> November.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's plenty of time to plan since you've picked the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> November date, so please don't feel rushed to respond.  Reply at your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convenience.  :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Katie Cunningham <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcunningham at csumb.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for moving the thread over Shauna :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I forgot to mention in the earlier email that the November
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weekend would work best for us, since it gives our freshmen more time to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exposed to CS. Several students go to church on Sunday (a student just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talked to me about making an attendance app for Sunday School :), so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saturday is preferred.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More on the rest in a bit...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Katie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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