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[Campus-hartnell-staff] planning another Open Source Comes to Campus event for the fall

Shauna Gordon-McKeon shaunagm at gmail.com
Thu Oct 2 21:18:18 UTC 2014 

Hi Sathya,

Sorry for taking so long to get back to you.  I think that right now we
just can't commit to doing this - I'm the only one who could reasonably
take it on, and I'm on the wrong coast and pretty busy already.  It's
possible that we'll make some decisions for 2015 that would facilitate
this, in terms of staffing and priorities, but we're just starting to have
those conversations.

If you'd still like to run a course like this, even without us teaching it,
we can try to reach out through our network of volunteers and colleagues to
see if anyone could lead it.  And we're definitely up for helping anyone
who does take this on develop their approach.

Thank you so much for the invitation!  It means a lot to us and we'd love
to keep brainstorming ways to add open source to the school's community and
curriculum.

best
Shauna





On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Sathya Narayanan <snarayanan at csumb.edu>
wrote:

> Please see my responses inline:
>
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Shauna Gordon-McKeon <shaunagm at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>>
>>
>> - What are the time constraints in terms of when during the course of the
>> year these classes can be done?  Should the dates fall within the confines
>> of the academic semesters and if so, which ones?  (This will be much more
>> doable if we can time things not to conflict with our other ongoing events.)
>>
> It is better if we can keep these classes within semester boundaries. We
> are thinking Spring 2015 right now - which would be from late January 2015
> to early May 2015. Managing the logistics of the course would be easier to
> do within the semester - university infrastructure operates relatively well
> within that.
>
> - What is the stipend amount?
>>
> I think, the stipend amount would be between $1200 and $1700 depending on
> the education and teaching experience of the instructor. I don't make the
> final decision, but I am reasonably sure of this range.
>
>
>> - When do we need to make a decision by?
>>
> By end of October will give us enough time to plan.
>
> Thanks so much for taking the time to answer all of my questions.  Asheesh
>> and I should be able to talk about this next week and come to a decision
>> soon after.
>>
> You are very welcome. Let me know if you have any other questions. Look
> forward to hearing your decision.
>
> Best,
> Sathya
>
>
>> ~ Shauna
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Sathya Narayanan <snarayanan at csumb.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There are no restrictions. Motivation to space them out is to allow time
>>> for students to do more work before exploring advanced topics in the second
>>> session. It is also possible to arrange for two people to co-teach the
>>> course - with one person covering session 1 (introductory session) and
>>> another person covering session 2 (advanced).
>>>
>>> Having said that, if having the sessions together will help with
>>> offering the course, I think we can make it work, as long as we feel the
>>> learning objectives can be met.
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Sathya
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Shauna Gordon-McKeon <shaunagm at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Are there any restrictions on when the two full Saturdays can be?
>>>> Should they be at the beginning and end of the course, for instance?  This
>>>> affects whether I personally could teach it - I live on the other side of
>>>> the country and could probably not make two separate trips out.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Sathya Narayanan <snarayanan at csumb.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Katie!
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Shauna,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for considering our request. Katie explained the motivation
>>>>> for the 1-unit course pretty well - to add my 2 cents, we think the
>>>>> content, ideas and skills communicated at the OpenHatch workshop is very
>>>>> valuable. We hope that adding the structure of a course to it will
>>>>> encourage/require more of our students to actively engage in the topic. If
>>>>> we do this well, it will be easy to offer it in future years with
>>>>> institutional support and at that point it will easier to duplicate it in
>>>>> other institutions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now to your question: we totally understand the workload challenges
>>>>> and will work with you to accommodate your situation. I would think the
>>>>> following actions will be needed to offer such a course (we will be happy
>>>>> to help you in all of these steps).
>>>>>
>>>>>    1. Create a syllabus (sample syllabus here
>>>>>    <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1loeavQABcBTUwkvxlq7k4DFYRkcU5vwqs7f-oBnn9eQ/edit?usp=sharing>)
>>>>>    and associated schedule (here
>>>>>    <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16YxypqN6FLVkgPRi1W3BmXOa-9YLsMCx_9E0W29e6uw/edit#gid=0>
>>>>>    )
>>>>>    2. Prep for the in class presentations/activities
>>>>>    3. Create assignments/projects - number of assignments/project is
>>>>>    up to you within the constraints of student learning and time commitment
>>>>>    (up to 24 hours of work outside the class for the students)
>>>>>    4. Teach/coach first session
>>>>>    5. Maintain some office hours (~2hrs/week) online (GHO or Skype)
>>>>>    to be able to answer questions - we will have a TA available locally to
>>>>>    take care quick/easier questions
>>>>>    6. Respond to email questions from students
>>>>>    7. Grade assignments if any - depending on the learning
>>>>>    objectives, type of assignments - this effort could vary - we can get TA
>>>>>    support for this. Or, it is also possible to setup the course as Pass/Fail
>>>>>    rather than letter grades - to reduce the granularity of grading
>>>>>    8. Teach/coach second session
>>>>>    9. More office hours to support project work
>>>>>    10. Final grading
>>>>>    11. Enter grades
>>>>>
>>>>> I apologize for the long email - wanted to provide a comprehensive
>>>>> picture. There is reasonable amount of flexibility in how the course is
>>>>> structured. I am leaving out a bit of a paperwork to apply and get hired as
>>>>> a lecturer at CSUMB :)
>>>>>
>>>>> We are very motivated about this and believe that this will be very
>>>>> useful for our students. We realize that we are asking for a bigger
>>>>> commitment and effort from you, but it is a one time investment to develop
>>>>> the components - usually can be duplicated multiple times with small
>>>>> tweaks, reaching a large group of students, who otherwise may not get such
>>>>> deep exposure.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please let me know if you have any questions. I am happy to talk with
>>>>> you if that would work better.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Sathya
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Katie Cunningham <
>>>>> kcunningham at csumb.edu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Shauna,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm cc'ing Sathya Narayanan, faculty at CSUMB. He will be better able
>>>>>> to answer those sorts of questions :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Katie
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Shauna Gordon-McKeon <
>>>>>> shaunagm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We're happy to talk about it.  My guess is that it will be too much
>>>>>>> work for either Asheesh or myself to take on, but there may be someone else
>>>>>>> in the OpenHatch community interested in leading it -- and it is possible
>>>>>>> that we'll be able to make time for Asheesh or myself to work on it, too.
>>>>>>> Relevant to that decision is the question: What would be the out of class
>>>>>>> responsibilities expected of an instructor?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Katie Cunningham <
>>>>>>> kcunningham at csumb.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Shauna,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No problem. The idea is that someone from OpenHatch leads the class.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for discussing this new and different idea,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Katie
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Shauna Gordon-McKeon <
>>>>>>>> shaunagm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Katie,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sorry for the delay in responding - I was away for the weekend.
>>>>>>>>> I'll talk about this more with Asheesh during our weekly meeting tomorrow,
>>>>>>>>> but I do have some questions.  Most importantly: are you asking whether
>>>>>>>>> someone from OpenHatch is interested in leading the class, or whether we
>>>>>>>>> can help you lead such a class?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>>>> Shauna
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Katie Cunningham <
>>>>>>>>> kcunningham at csumb.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Shauna,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> OSCTC has been a topic of significant discussion recently.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The major idea that has been discussed and which I want to
>>>>>>>>>> present to you is the incorporation of OSCTC into a one credit course
>>>>>>>>>> taught at CSUMB. A series of one credit courses involving hands-on
>>>>>>>>>> technical topics is a new initiative by Dr. Sathya Narayanan (CSUMB
>>>>>>>>>> faculty). The idea is that students meet for 2 full Saturdays (16 hours
>>>>>>>>>> total) for face time with the instructor and do homework or pre-class work
>>>>>>>>>> of 25-30 hours outside of class. The course instructor is paid a stipend.
>>>>>>>>>> If this is something OpenHatch is interested in, the spring semester could
>>>>>>>>>> be a potential target date.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The advantages of this idea are that students are interacting
>>>>>>>>>> with open source in a more ongoing fashion, with results tied to an
>>>>>>>>>> immediate result (a grade). Of course, it may take more planning than a
>>>>>>>>>> typical OSCTC session. The first one of these courses is a one credit
>>>>>>>>>> course about Salesforce happening this semester. About 40 students are
>>>>>>>>>> signed up, including ~23 CSIT-In-3 students.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Let me know if this is something Openhatch is worth pursuing.
>>>>>>>>>> Also let me know if you have any questions or clarifications. I imagine
>>>>>>>>>> that if Openhatch is interested in the spring course, it probably makes
>>>>>>>>>> sense to scratch the fall OSCTC event to decrease workload.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>> Katie
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Shauna Gordon-McKeon <
>>>>>>>>>> shaunagm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just bumping this up - no rush, as we're still 2+ months out.
>>>>>>>>>>> Did you meet with Prof Welch and, if so, any thoughts about how to proceed?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Katie Cunningham <
>>>>>>>>>>> kcunningham at csumb.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Great :) Prof. Joe Welch wants to discuss OSCTC next week, so
>>>>>>>>>>>> after that I'll have a better idea about the approach.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>> Katie
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Shauna Gordon-McKeon <
>>>>>>>>>>>> shaunagm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That sounds great.  I'll put you down for the Saturday in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> November.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's plenty of time to plan since you've picked the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> November date, so please don't feel rushed to respond.  Reply at your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> convenience.  :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Katie Cunningham <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcunningham at csumb.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for moving the thread over Shauna :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I forgot to mention in the earlier email that the November
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weekend would work best for us, since it gives our freshmen more time to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exposed to CS. Several students go to church on Sunday (a student just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talked to me about making an attendance app for Sunday School :), so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saturday is preferred.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More on the rest in a bit...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Katie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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