[Campus-rutgers-staff] bringing Open Source Comes to Campus back to Rutgers
Billy Lynch
wlynch92 at gmail.com
Wed Jan 14 19:28:04 UTC 2015
>
> Will the laptop you are using have a VGA output?
I can bring a thunderbolt adapter and a short vga cable.
>
> Will the laptop need to be connected to a sound system? (music or
> video)
I still have to go through openhatch material, but my assumption is
probably not.
>
> Do you have you a completed agenda?
We should hammer a full schedule soon.
>
> Which of the approved internal caterers are you using?
USACS will be getting pizza through Gerlanda's for 2pm.
In other news, I reached out to a few alumni to help mentor and this is who
responded yes so far:
Me (Google)
V Verma (Etsy)
Karina Ruzinov (Warby Parker)
Elana Braff (Google)
Still waiting for more responses, but I'll keep you guys updated as we get
closer.
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Jeff Ames <jeff.ames at cs.rutgers.edu>
wrote:
> I got word back from BCC, and they want some more details:
>
> Will the laptop you are using have a VGA output?
>
> Will the laptop need to be connected to a sound system? (music or
> video)
>
> Do you have you a completed agenda?
>
> Which of the approved internal caterers are you using?
>
> Jeff
>
>
> On 12/15/2014 08:13 PM, Jeff Ames wrote:
> > I've asked to book the Cove from 11 am to 6 pm on 1/31, just waiting for
> > confirmation. If you think we'll need the room longer than that, we can
> > probably extend it.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Dec 15, 2014, at 20:05, Billy Lynch <wlynch92 at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:wlynch92 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'll start reaching out to recent Alumni and see if I can get some
> >> Google swag for the event. What's the expected headcount we are
> >> shooting for?
> >>
> >> On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 8:02 PM, Prachi Pendse <prachirp at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:prachirp at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thank you for confirming! Looks like this is starting to come
> >> together. I believe Jeff was booking the room. On my end I'm
> >> reaching out to the Open Source Systems (OSS) group at Rutgers to
> >> look for more mentors.
> >>
> >> Shauna, would you know if there is a video chat training session
> >> between now and Jan 31st? Let me know,
> >>
> >> Prachi
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Monday, December 15, 2014, Shauna Gordon-McKeon
> >> <shaunagm at gmail.com <mailto:shaunagm at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> OpenHatch is fine with Jan 31st. And we're enthusiastic about
> >> Banquet-style classrooms and group work.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 10:43 PM, Jeff Ames
> >> <jeff.ames at cs.rutgers.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> I talked to someone in BCC, and they said that the Cove
> >> should be available then, and we could have it set up a
> >> variety of ways. Banquet style (round tables for ~6
> >> people) might be good if people are working in groups, or
> >> we could do something more classroom-esque. Cove fits
> >> around 90 people, so it might be a bit big, but it's a
> >> nice room. There are also smaller conference rooms we
> >> could get. Any thoughts?
> >>
> >> If we're set on Jan 31, I can go ahead and try to make a
> >> reservation.
> >>
> >> Jeff
> >>
> >>
> >> On 11/25/14 17:23, Shauna Gordon-McKeon wrote:
> >>
> >> I think we had about 25 students last year and 3
> >> mentors. This is a
> >> little smaller than the typical OSCTC event. If we
> >> could aim for 35
> >> students and 8 mentors (4-5 students per mentor)
> >> that'd be great. To do
> >> that, we'll want to start reaching out to potential
> >> mentors soon.
> >>
> >> I typically find mentors by doing the following:
> >>
> >> - Sending emails to our network of mentors
> >> - Doing a google search for the university name and
> >> "open source"/"free
> >> software" (this turns up a lot of people!)
> >> - Looking at local groups like python and linux user
> >> groups, wordpress
> >> groups, etc.
> >> - Looking on github for people who list their location
> >> as near the event
> >>
> >> The above is a bit of work but very worth it. It
> >> would be great to
> >> spend the next couple of weeks finding people and then
> >> seeing when works
> >> best for everyone, with a doodle poll perhaps.
> >>
> >> best
> >> Shauna
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 5:59 PM, Jeff Ames
> >> <jeff.ames at cs.rutgers.edu
> >> <mailto:jeff.ames at cs.rutgers.__edu>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Jan. 31 sounds good, though I may not be able to
> >> be there personally.
> >>
> >> CSGSS can help with reserving a room if we need an
> >> official group
> >> sponsor.
> >>
> >> Out of curiosity, how many people were there last
> >> year and are you
> >> expecting more this year? There is a somewhat
> >> larger class of MS
> >> students this year, some of whom will probably be
> >> interested in this.
> >>
> >> Jeff
> >>
> >>
> >> On 11/20/14 20:38, Billy Lynch wrote:
> >>
> >> January 31st is fine with me. We'll need some
> >> student org to
> >> reserve a
> >> room. We should aim for an open space instead
> >> of a classroom
> >> setup (like
> >> how Core A was setup last year). It might be
> >> nice to get the BCC
> >> MPR or
> >> Cove, otherwise I'd say the Cave might work
> >> (though
> >> presentations will
> >> be harder). Thoughts?
> >>
> >> I can also help get mentors. Do we have an
> >> idea of what we want
> >> in terms
> >> of headcount?
> >>
> >> Once we solidify the date I'll reach out to
> >> Amy to order swag.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 7:15 PM, Prachi Pendse
> >> <prachirp at gmail.com <mailto:prachirp at gmail.com>
> >> <mailto:prachirp at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:prachirp at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hmm, to answer your points:
> >>
> >> I'd like it to be a full day workshop
> >> like last time, on
> >> Saturday
> >> Jan 31st.
> >> Not sure if we'll focus on any particular
> >> domain or
> >> project, or just
> >> provide links to what's out there. Since
> >> rooms and funding
> >> should
> >> not be too much trouble, mentors are
> >> probably the bottleneck.
> >>
> >> Billy, are you available to mentor on the
> >> 31st? I can ask V
> >> if he's
> >> free tomorrow. I know there are a lot of
> >> Rutgers alumni in
> >> NYC who
> >> could potentially mentor, but I
> >> personally know very few of
> >> them.
> >>
> >> Shauna, would you give me more details on
> >> when OpenHatch
> >> runs the
> >> videochat trainings. I will do my best to
> >> attend.
> >>
> >> -Prachi
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thursday, November 20, 2014, Shauna
> >> Gordon-McKeon
> >> <shaunagm at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:shaunagm at gmail.com>
> >> <mailto:shaunagm at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:shaunagm at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >>
> >> We've been running remote events for
> >> about a year now,
> >> and we've
> >> found that getting a group of local
> >> mentors together is
> >> far more
> >> important than whether an OpenHatch
> >> representative is
> >> available
> >> on the day of. We've run 24 events,
> >> only 8 of which
> >> have had me
> >> or Asheesh (co-founder of OpenHatch)
> >> at them. When helping
> >> remotely, the average event does not
> >> ask me for help
> >> even once,
> >> and I've never had an event need my
> >> help more than once
> >> that I
> >> can remember.
> >>
> >> For these reasons, I suggest the
> >> following process:
> >>
> >> - Come up with an overall sense of
> >> what you want the
> >> event to
> >> be. A full day workshop? A series
> >> of project nights with
> >> tutorials? Focused on a particular
> >> domain (open
> >> science, open
> >> hardware, etc) or a particular project?
> >>
> >> - Once the broad outlines are figured
> >> out, and you've
> >> got a good
> >> sense of who you'll ask re: room and
> >> funding, start
> >> reaching out
> >> to mentors. I can definitely help at
> >> this stage, as we
> >> have
> >> both a network of known mentors as
> >> well as several
> >> different
> >> effective strategies for finding
> >> people. Get a group
> >> of people
> >> interested and then see which dates
> >> work for them.
> >>
> >> - Pick a date, hopefully one that
> >> we'll be available
> >> for, but if
> >> not, that's fine.
> >>
> >> - We can work together, along with
> >> whatever mentors are
> >> interested in doing organizational
> >> work, to plan the event.
> >> OpenHatch will be running regular
> >> remote videochat
> >> trainings as
> >> well, which any interested mentors
> >> can take.
> >>
> >> I recommend giving this process two
> >> full months,
> >> although it can
> >> definitely be done on a shorter time
> >> frame. If you're
> >> hoping
> >> for the last weekend in January, then
> >> we should get
> >> started soon.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 1:54 PM,
> >> Prachi Pendse
> >> <prachirp at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:prachirp at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Time to rejuvenate this thread
> again.
> >>
> >> Shauna, do you have a better idea
> >> of what Open
> >> Hatch events
> >> are scheduled for January or
> >> February?
> >>
> >> I have a better idea of how my
> >> schedule looks like
> >> for next
> >> semester. The weekend from Jan
> >> 30th-Feb 1st works
> >> best for
> >> me, and it's also before midterms
> >> start around
> >> mid-Feb, so
> >> let me know how that weekend
> >> would fit with your
> >> other open
> >> source events,
> >>
> >> Prachi
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 4:44 PM,
> >> Prachi Pendse
> >> <prachirp at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:prachirp at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> That's fine. Let me know!
> >>
> >> -Prachi
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 3:20
> >> PM, Shauna
> >> Gordon-McKeon
> >> <shaunagm at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:shaunagm at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> We probably won't pick
> >> dates for the
> >> winter/spring
> >> until around November, at
> >> which point we'll
> >> contact
> >> you (and other schools
> >> which asked to wait
> >> until the
> >> winter/spring). Will
> >> that work for you?
> >>
> >> On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at
> >> 11:18 PM, Prachi Pendse
> >> <prachirp at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:prachirp at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> That's fine by me. Do
> >> you have dates
> >> that Open
> >> Hatch is running
> >> workshops on for next
> >> year, or
> >> when the schedule
> >> will come out?
> >>
> >> -Prachi
> >>
> >> On Fri, Sep 19, 2014
> >> at 5:10 PM, Shauna
> >> Gordon-McKeon
> >> <shaunagm at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:shaunagm at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> It sounds like
> >> Billy has a
> >> preference for
> >> early spring and
> >> everyone else is
> >> indifferent, so
> >> shall we switch to
> >> early spring?
> >>
> >> On Thu, Sep 18,
> >> 2014 at 5:07 PM, Prachi
> >> Pendse
> >> <prachirp at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:prachirp at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> I don't have
> >> a preference
> >> either. Early
> >> February is
> >> fine as well.
> >>
> >> -Prachi
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep
> >> 17, 2014 at 8:28
> >> PM, Sri
> >> Raga Velagapudi
> >>
> >> <sriraga.velagapudi at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:sriraga.velagapudi at __gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> I will
> >> let Prachi and Billy
> >> decide
> >> on the
> >> date. Early Jan sounds
> >>
> >> reasonable to me, unless
> >> Prachi has
> >> strong
> >> sentiments against it.
> >>
> >> As for
> >> Google sponsorship,
> >> if we
> >> have a
> >> separate Google sign
> >> up sheet
> >> (like the
> >> chromebooks we
> >> have at the
> >> RU
> >> events, Billy) and do
> >> little 5
> >> min
> >> "Google and Open
> >> Source" prezo,
> >>
> >> sponsorship should not be a
> >> problem.
> >>
> >> Billy:
> >> Send Amy an email
> >> soon (so
> >> they can
> >> adjust their 2015
> >> budgets
> >> if
> >> needed) asking for money for
> >> food,
> >> shwag for travel
> >> costs for
> >> mentors.
> >> Let Amy know it is
> >> similar
> >> to an
> >> event I ran last
> >> year. CC me
> >> on the
> >> email so I can jump
> >> in if
> >> need be.
> >>
> >> Good luck!
> >>
> >> Sri
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed,
> >> Sep 17, 2014 at
> >> 4:03 PM,
> >> Billy Lynch
> >> <wlynch92 at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:wlynch92 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Spring semester starts
> >> 1/20 so
> >> if we
> >> could hit one of
> >> the first
> >> weeks
> >> of February that
> >> would be
> >>
> >> perfect =]
> >>
> >> On
> >> Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at
> >> 3:50 PM,
> >>
> >> Shauna Gordon-McKeon
> >>
> >> <shaunagm at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:shaunagm at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm happy to move
> >> this to
> >>
> >> the spring if
> >> that's what
> >>
> >> you prefer.
> >> Prachi, do you
> >>
> >> have a preference?
> >>
> >>
> >> We will likely not
> >> start
> >>
> >> running events
> >> again in 2015
> >>
> >> until February.
> >> Will that
> >>
> >> be early enough in
> >> the semester?
> >>
> >> best
> >>
> >> Shauna
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 17,
> >> 2014 at 3:25
> >>
> >> PM, Billy Lynch
> >>
> >> <wlynch92 at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:wlynch92 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> For those who don't
> >>
> >> know, I am no
> >> longer at
> >>
> >> Rutgers and am
> >> now at
> >>
> >> Google NY, so I
> >> should
> >>
> >> be able to take
> >> over
> >>
> >> Sri's
> >> responsibilities.
> >>
> >>
> >> Prachi- I
> >> handed those
> >>
> >> off to the new
> >> USACS
> >>
> >> president Katie
> >>
> >> Poskaitis (cc-ed)
> >>
> >>
> >> As for room,
> >> Core A or
> >>
> >> even the new
> >> expanded
> >>
> >> Cave might work.
> >>
> >>
> >> Something I was
> >>
> >> discussing with Sri
> >>
> >> offline last
> >> week was
> >>
> >> potentially
> >> moving the
> >>
> >> event to very early
> >>
> >> spring
> >> semester. I am
> >>
> >> not sure how set in
> >>
> >> stone those
> >> original
> >>
> >> dates are, but
> >> I think
> >>
> >> there will be
> >> benefits
> >>
> >> for both us and
> >> students
> >>
> >> if we change
> >> the date.
> >>
> >> The main motivation
> >>
> >> behind this was
> >> 1) to
> >>
> >> piggyback off
> >> of the
> >>
> >> popularity of
> >> student
> >>
> >> hackathons and
> >> 2) to
> >>
> >> take advantage of
> >>
> >> beginning of
> >> semester
> >>
> >> motivation.
> >>
> >>
> >> 1)
> >> HackPrinceton and
> >>
> >> HackRPI
> >>
> >> <http://mlh.io/seasons/f2014/____events
> >> <http://mlh.io/seasons/f2014/__events>
>
> >>
> >> <http://mlh.io/seasons/f2014/__events
> >> <http://mlh.io/seasons/f2014/events>>> fall
> >>
> >> on the same
> >> weekend.
> >>
> >> Though we are
> >> primarily
> >>
> >> trying to target
> >>
> >> beginners,
> >> students are
> >>
> >> being
> >> encouraged more
> >>
> >> and more to
> >> attend these
> >>
> >> events to
> >> learn. Since
> >>
> >> these 2 events are
> >>
> >> fairly close to
> >> Rutgers
> >>
> >> (and it is
> >> become fairly
> >>
> >> common for
> >> hackathons to
> >>
> >> charter a bus
> >> to bring
> >>
> >> students to the
> >> event),
> >>
> >> I am slightly
> >> concerned
> >>
> >> that this might
> >> draw
> >>
> >> away some of
> >> the people
> >>
> >> we want to
> >> reach. By
> >>
> >> moving to the
> >> start of
> >>
> >> the semester we
> >> can get
> >>
> >> ahead of most
> >> spring
> >>
> >> hackathons and
> >> promote
> >>
> >> skills that
> >> students can
> >>
> >> then use at
> >> these events.
> >>
> >>
> >> 2) From running
> >> these
> >>
> >> types of events
> >> in the
> >>
> >> past, I have
> >> found that
> >>
> >> events targeted
> >> towards
> >>
> >> beginners are
> >> much more
> >>
> >> effective when
> >> they are
> >>
> >> in the start of the
> >>
> >> semester. This
> >> is when
> >>
> >> students have
> >> more free
> >>
> >> time (since
> >> they don't
> >>
> >> have
> >> assignments yet)
> >>
> >> and are
> >> motivated to
> >>
> >> learn new
> >> things that
> >>
> >> can help them
> >> in the
> >>
> >> upcoming
> >> semester. I
> >>
> >> think an event
> >> like this
> >>
> >> would be much more
> >>
> >> successful and
> >> useful to
> >>
> >> students if ran
> >> at the
> >>
> >> start of the
> >> semester
> >>
> >> rather than
> >> towards the
> >>
> >> end (especially
> >> since
> >>
> >> USACS tends to
> >> run a
> >>
> >> very similar event
> >>
> >> covering VCS/Github
> >>
> >> workflows).
> >>
> >>
> >> These were just
> >> a few
> >>
> >> thoughts I had.
> >> If we
> >>
> >> still want to
> >> run with
> >>
> >> the Nov 16th
> >> date that
> >>
> >> is perfectly fine.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 17,
> >> 2014 at
> >>
> >> 2:53 PM, Prachi
> >> Pendse
> >>
> >> <prachirp at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:prachirp at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Yes, we can
> >> move the
> >>
> >> tables.
> >> Billy, who
> >>
> >> has all the
> >> USACS
> >>
> >> power strips n
> >>
> >> things now?
> >>
> >>
> >> -Prachi
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep
> >> 17, 2014
> >>
> >> at 2:50 PM,
> >> Shauna
> >>
> >> Gordon-McKeon
> >>
> >> <shaunagm at gmail.com <mailto:shaunagm at gmail.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> The
> >> tables were
> >>
> >> moveable,
> >>
> >> right?
> >> It would
> >>
> >> be nice
> >> to do
> >>
> >> more
> >> group work
> >>
> >> since
> >> we'll have
> >>
> >> more
> >> mentors,
> >>
> >> and
> >>
> >> rearrangeable
> >>
> >> tables are
> >>
> >> pretty
> >> key given
> >>
> >> that
> >> that room
> >>
> >> is so
> >> long and thin.
> >>
> >>
> >> If so:
> >> yes, that
> >>
> >> room is
> >> good. :)
> >>
> >>
> >> best
> >>
> >> Shauna
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed,
> >> Sep 17,
> >>
> >> 2014 at
> >> 2:45 PM,
> >>
> >> Prachi
> >> Pendse
> >>
> >> <prachirp at gmail.com <mailto:prachirp at gmail.com
> >>
> >>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> The
> >> room we
> >>
> >> had
> >> last
> >>
> >> time was
> >>
> >> fine right?
> >>
> >> I
> >> will check
> >>
> >> and
> >> book it
> >>
> >> tonight if
> >>
> >> it's available.
> >>
> >>
> >> -Prachi
> >>
> >>
> >> On
> >> Wed, Sep
> >>
> >> 17,
> >> 2014 at
> >>
> >> 2:42 PM,
> >>
> >> Shauna
> >>
> >> Gordon-McKeon <shaunagm at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:shaunagm at gmail.com>>
> >>
> >>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Sri -
> >>
> >> We've
> >>
> >> talked
> >>
> >> off
> >>
> >> list,
> >>
> >> but let
> >>
> >> me say
> >>
> >> again:
> >>
> >> congratulations
> >>
> >> on your
> >>
> >> move.
> >>
> >> :)
> >>
> >> I'm
> >>
> >> sorry
> >>
> >> you
> >>
> >> won't be
> >>
> >> able to
> >>
> >> participate
> >>
> >> in the
> >>
> >> event,
> >>
> >> but your
> >>
> >> decision
> >>
> >> totally
> >>
> >> makes
> >>
> >> sense.
> >>
> >> Will
> >>
> >> Google
> >>
> >> still be
> >>
> >> able to
> >>
> >> sponsor
> >>
> >> the
> >>
> >> event
> >>
> >> given
> >>
> >> this change?
> >>
> >>
> >> Prachee,
> >>
> >> Billy -
> >>
> >> are you
> >>
> >> still
> >>
> >> good to
> >>
> >> lead the
> >>
> >> event?
> >>
> >> If so,
> >>
> >> let's
> >>
> >> take
> >>
> >> care of
> >>
> >> the
> >>
> >> basics
> >>
> >> so I can
> >>
> >> start
> >>
> >> finding
> >>
> >> you
> >>
> >> mentors
> >>
> >> and
> >>
> >> helpers.
> >>
> >> (We
> >>
> >> didn't
> >>
> >> have any
> >>
> >> besides
> >>
> >> Sri and
> >>
> >> myself
> >>
> >> last
> >>
> >> time,
> >>
> >> due to
> >>
> >> the day
> >>
> >> of the
> >>
> >> week we
> >>
> >> ran it
> >>
> >> on, but
> >>
> >> on a
> >>
> >> weekend
> >>
> >> we
> >>
> >> should
> >>
> >> have
> >>
> >> much
> >>
> >> better
> >>
> >> luck.)
> >>
> >> The
> >>
> >> next
> >>
> >> step is
> >>
> >> figuring
> >>
> >> out what
> >>
> >> room to
> >>
> >> book,
> >>
> >> and
> >>
> >> booking it.
> >>
> >>
> >> best
> >>
> >> Shauna
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed,
> >>
> >> Sep 3,
> >>
> >> 2014 at
> >>
> >> 7:53 PM,
> >>
> >> Sri Raga
> >>
> >> Velagapudi
> >>
> >> <sriraga.velagapudi at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:sriraga.velagapudi at __gmail.com>>
>
> >>
> >>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Hello folks,
> >>
> >>
> >> Apologies
> >>
> >> for
> >>
> >> being off
> >>
> >> the
> >>
> >> radar.
> >>
> >> I
> >>
> >> have
> >>
> >> an
> >>
> >> upcoming
> >>
> >> launch
> >>
> >> followed
> >>
> >> by a
> >>
> >> performance
> >>
> >> eval
> >>
> >> cycle followed
> >>
> >> by a
> >>
> >> giant move
> >>
> >> to
> >>
> >> the
> >>
> >> west
> >>
> >> coast (yay!).
> >>
> >> So I
> >>
> >> won't be
> >>
> >> able
> >>
> >> to
> >>
> >> help. :(
> >>
> >>
> >> Good
> >>
> >> luck
> >>
> >> with
> >>
> >> everything
> >>
> >> and
> >>
> >> stay
> >>
> >> I'm
> >>
> >> touch.
> >>
> >>
> >> Sri
> >>
> >>
> >> On
> >>
> >> Sep
> >>
> >> 3,
> >>
> >> 2014
> >>
> >> 6:35
> >>
> >> PM,
> >>
> >> "Shauna
> >>
> >> Gordon-McKeon"
> >>
> >> <shaunagm at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:shaunagm at gmail.com>>
> >>
> >>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Okay,
> >>
> >> I've
> >>
> >> written
> >>
> >> down
> >>
> >> the
> >>
> >> 16th
> >>
> >> for
> >>
> >> the
> >>
> >>
> ...
>
> [Message clipped]
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